Evangelicals taking over the Conservative Party?


Evangelicals taking over the Conservative Party?


This from Paul Wells.

“Liberal Party pollsters were in the field last week asking Ontarians whether they were ‘more or less likely to vote for the Conservative/Alliance if you knew they had been taken over by evangelical Christians.’

I really, really, really hope the Liberal Party doesn’t go there. 

  1. #1 by Marc Vandersluys on April 23, 2004 - 12:53 am

    Bah! Another lynching approaches. Remember Stockwell Day?

  2. #2 by Nathan P on April 23, 2004 - 1:32 am

    Stockwell Who?! (hehehe)

  3. #3 by Toni on April 23, 2004 - 1:51 am

    Who said politicians had to be honest?

  4. #4 by Marc Vandersluys on April 23, 2004 - 8:43 am

    This sort of thing really bothers me, because Stockwell Day’s hopes, for instance, were dashed when the media focused on personal things that had nothing to do with his platform (and I don’t consider myself a Conservative)…

    I say stay focused on what politicians are actually offering and promising within their platforms…

  5. #5 by Lyle McRae on April 23, 2004 - 11:49 am

    I think what they are playing on is the fact that America has been “taken over” by the extreme right and their political agenda. Thus they are trying to paint the Conservative Party to be like the US conservatives and I think we know what most Canadians think of them.

  6. #6 by George on April 23, 2004 - 2:57 pm

    Interesting column in Friday’s National Post by Colby Cosh about this very issue. Check it out

    Lyle – a lot of Canadians like the US conservatives, particularly the ones that stand on the Truth. Trouble is too many of our conservatives remain silent about how they really feel. Its like they are intimidated by the liberal mindset and media. What a time to stand for Truth, God’s Truth.

  7. #7 by Marc Vandersluys on April 23, 2004 - 3:42 pm

    Of which “Truth” do you speak? And which US Conservatives stand on it? I see one US Conservative (i.e. Republican) policy (namely, the war in Iraq) which is arguably not Biblically based. I imagine there would be others.

    I suppose this is a bit off topic, but I would argue that neither side of the political spectrum (or the middle of it, I suppose) stands completely on the Truth. Where this idea of “right-wing” = God’s “wing” comes from is beyond me…

  8. #8 by George on April 23, 2004 - 7:23 pm

    And I would argue that it is usually the conservative evangelical Christians that hold up God’s Truth, the Bible and do not waver in their stand and boldly proclaim the Truth contained therein.

    And I would argue that among the liberal Christians there has been more of a shift away from the authority of God’s Word. I believe you can see that in so many churches and it is evident where that has led. Churches that have allowed the culture around them to influence them in so many ways instead of allowing what God has already said in His Word to be their only source for living a God centered life.

  9. #9 by Marc Vandersluys on April 23, 2004 - 7:45 pm

    I agree with you in principle, George. But the reality is that many of the things Christians hold up as “God’s Truth” is anything but.

  10. #10 by Clinton on April 23, 2004 - 10:54 pm

    Random thoughts on politics and society…

    Would you be more likely to vote for the Liberals if you knew they had been taken over by aliens? Yep. But only then.

    Seeing as PoMo used to be the hot topic around here, I think we should apply it to politics now. Why have many young people dropped out of church? Same reason many young people dropped out of politics? Cuz they have better things to do, which affect the world they live in a lot more than the aforementioned.

    What happens when society becomes more “liberal/socialist” than it is now? If divorce and pemarital sex where hot topics in the 50′s and gay marriage is in the 2000′s what will the hot topics be in 2020? Condoned beastiality? Incestuous gay marriage? Prescribed euthanasia? Permissable pedophilia? I shudder to think. But it will happen.

    Supporters of one political party over another support one form of evil over another. Abortion or war? Old corrupt government or new corrupt government? It really is chosing the lesser of 2 evils. We just pick and chose which evils we can tolerate more.

    And who said it’s bad to let culture influence the church anyway? If God’s people have a solid relationship with God which permeates their lives, who cares what culture is influencing them. The problem comes when morality contrary to God’s character begins influencing the church.

  11. #11 by Leighton Tebay on April 23, 2004 - 11:19 pm

    Clinton:

    Political parties are a lot like churches. It is impossible to find a church with perfect theology and it is impossible to find a political party with perfect ideology. I chose to support the Liberals because I think they are the best group of people to lead the country. Part of that is ideology, and part of that is looking at experience and competence. If I refuse to work with people because they don’t perfectly match my ideology I’ve trapped myself in a prison of idealism.

    A lot of people who have dropped out of society’s institutions (like church and political parties) end up forming very similar groups of their own, if they actually try to make a difference as you say. Lots of these groups will eventually come to the conclusion that half of the stuff they jettisoned was very worthwhile but because they had an axe to grind with the system they turfed it.

    I don’t think that society is on this never ending slippery slope in to moral anarchy. There are cycles and swings in our history. Eventually society will realize that the freedoms embraced now with casual sex and divorce terribly wound the fabric of society and there will be a swing back.

  12. #12 by lylem on April 24, 2004 - 1:06 am

    So George. I take it you like George W.

    If a man you knew was running for mayor of your town and was a member of your church, would you vote for him because you knew he was a Christian?

    Now, this person also does not work very hard and you knew it. He is also going to endanger the health of your children by sending them to dangerous places. He is going to pollute the water systems and air in the town you live in as well as ruin the economic future of your family by supporting large corporations that have different agendas than yours. Would you still vote for him? I hope not.

    I just described GWB. He may be a Christian, but he is no statesman. I would rather have a lying womanizer like Clinton for President that I know will at least take care of our children’s future and minimally balance the budget, then have a President like Bush who has a false agenda. I don’t think there is anything Christian like about the war in Iraq. But that is just my opinion. I may be wrong and may I be judged for that.

  13. #13 by Marc Vandersluys on April 24, 2004 - 10:04 am

    Leighton makes a good point, Clinton. While I can see society slipping further, I do know that a lot of this territory has been covered before. If you have ever read Plato or some other Greek philosophers, you will know that at the time homosexuality and even pedophelia was “normal”. This isn’t new. We are, perhaps, just coming full circle.

    On the other hand, it could be argued that with each turn on the moral circle, we slip that much farther into immorality.

  14. #14 by Jordon on April 24, 2004 - 2:28 pm

    They already did.

  15. #15 by Jadon on April 24, 2004 - 5:40 pm

    Hey Leighton:

    Did you see the recent editorial in The Globe and Mail(Sat. Apr. 24) called “There is no evangelical conspiracy”:

    http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040424/COEVANG24//?query=evangelicals

    I think he misses the point.

  16. #16 by George on April 24, 2004 - 8:20 pm

    Jadon I read that. What point is he missing?

  17. #17 by Steve Dustcircle on April 25, 2004 - 9:38 am

    Lyle, what do Canadians think of Americans? ;)

    In regards to Conservative Christians running the show, I wouldn’t want my land or gov. looking like the white-washed tombs that I see olde people walking to on Sunday mornings. If that’s “life,” I don’t want that kind of gov. or homeland.

    However, if there are lives being changed, the sick being healed, the broken being restored into joyful beings, than by all means, run the show. I want to see a land full of abundant life and lacking in spiritual illness and living out a lie.

  18. #18 by lylem on April 25, 2004 - 6:33 pm

    I think alot of Americans. I live here and married one.

    I just agree with the political agenda Bush has. I have a hard time beleiving he is a moral person, even though he is a Christian. He is a man, not God, so he is naturally imperfect.

    IMO, he does not appreciate the diversity of this great nation and what has made it great. Instead, he does actions that alienate us from the rest of the world and install policies (like his energy policies, the large deficit and the war on Iraq) that deteriate the future of this country.

    I could go on and on with what I think is wrong with Bush. I miss Clinton. Even though he had bad family ethics, he had good policies that changed peoples lives to the better and helped the sick.

    That is my opinion, I may be wrong

  19. #19 by Jadon on April 26, 2004 - 7:39 pm

    George:

    Well, the problem is that the article seems to miss the obvious fact that in Western Canada (where Liberals don’t have many seats), the Conservatives (then Reform/Canadian Alliance) attract a lot of evangelicals. It doesn’t matter that evangelicals vote along the political spectrum. It doesn’t matter whether evangelicals are more diverse than people think. What really matters is that American politics have evangelicals and fundamentalists in the Republican party, so people will naturally be bothered by evangelicals in a relatively hard-right wing party in Canada.

  20. #20 by Clinton on April 27, 2004 - 10:18 pm

    Yes, Marc and Leighton, I have read Plato and several other Historical Philosophers. However, their society didn’t just naturally get more moral. They imploded or were destroyed. Society doesn’t just get more moral without complete destruction or a mighty move of God. Yep the Greeks and Romans were perverts. They folded. But now we’re heading down the same road. That’s what I meant by getting worse. Not that it’s never been like this before, but that we have seen it time and time again and yet we call it good and do it all over again.

  21. #21 by Bene Diction on April 28, 2004 - 5:03 pm

    MacLeans Magazine just released a survey on Canadian American relations and the views we hold. Viewpoints have made significan shifts.

    Worth the read.

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